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Beyoncé's three-act project was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 19 March 2024 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Beyoncé. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.
Look at Lady Gaga's lead page for instance, the lead call her as “influential figure”, or Shakira with “Queen of Latin” title with no source at all. Do you have a problem with that?
why are you so bothered and always vandalizing this page with unreasonable reasons?? Everything written on this page is accompanied by a credible source Newpicarchive (talk) 20:13, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"... she has transformed the sound of popular music with her vocal ability, live performances and artistic innovations." This article is a muster of peacocks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.134.6.233 (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Beyoncé has certainly become the female artist with the most RIAA-certified titles. However, Billboard incorrectly reported that she had 103 titles certified by the RIAA. According to the RIAA's official data, Beyoncé actually has 92 titles certified at a minimum of Gold. This discrepancy likely originated from a post by her record label, Columbia TheWikiholic (talk) 15:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As good as Beyoncé is, the lead should be changed to sound less glowing and more in line with other contemporary figures. Taylor Swift’s lead is ideal for a benchmark 51.9.221.65 (talk) 14:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I toned down the lead sentence to be less puffy and more objective: she is an influential cultural figure who's influenced pop music through her work, etc.
What is exactly the source for Cowboy Carter being an epic? As I understand it, pretty much all of her albums post-2013 have been conceptual music with overarching narratives. For example, Lemonade was a concept album with all tracks connecting together. The specific usage of the word "epic" is confusing to me as that can describe many of her old albums..
We really need to WP:STICKTOSOURCE - if several reliable sources describe her as "one of the most", it is not our jobs as editors to erase that.
Many publications describe Cowboy Carter as an epic, specifically because of its Americana and Western aspects. See here: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
Also: the change to "influenced" is too repetitive with "influential", and why was the information that makes the "all 8 studio albums debuting at #1" point notable (that she is the only female artist to do so) erased? Bgkc4444 (talk) 12:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So? all of other singers who have gotten much more praise than Beyonce don't have these over-hyping lead sentences. Lead should stick to hardcore facts NOT REGARDED BY SOME WELL-KNOWN MAGAZINES. You turned this page into a Beyonce fanpage instead of Wikipedia 171.237.208.170 (talk) 11:15, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This in particular: "she has transformed the sound of popular music with her vocal ability, live performances and artistic innovations" seems like a bit much. I'm sure there's a better way to convey a similar sentiment without being over the top; even using "influenced" is better regardless of repetition. Breaktheicees (talk) 05:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I invite you to check WP:OCON, which says that "you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether similar content exists on another page". But still, your claim is evidently false:
"Regarded as one of the most influential hip-hop artists of his generation, and one of the greatest rappers of all time" Kendrick Lamar
"He is credited with popularizing hip-hop in Middle America and is regarded as one of the greatest rappers of all time" Eminem
"Regarded as the "Queen of Rap" and one of the most influential rappers of all time, she is credited as a driving force in the mainstream resurgence of female rap" Nicki Minaj
"One of the most prominent figures in hip-hop" Kanye West
"he is regarded as one of history's greatest musicians" Prince (musician)
"he is regarded as one of the most significant cultural figures of the 20th century" Elvis Presley
"he is regarded as one of the most significant cultural figures of the 20th century" Michael Jackson
"Dubbed the "Prince of Pop", Billboard honored him as the best performing solo act on Pop Airplay and one of the greatest pop stars of the 21st century" Justin Timberlake
"One of the most acclaimed and influential musicians of the 20th century, he is credited as a pioneer and influence by musicians across a range of genres" Stevie Wonder
"Acclaimed by critics and musicians, particularly for his work during the 1970s, his music and showmanship have had a significant, lasting impact on the music industry" Elton John
Ultimately, we really need to stick to source (again, please read up on WP:STICKTOSOURCE), and the continuous removal of content despite its encyclopedic material and the use of many reliable sources, seemingly because of all the "other singers" who have received "much more praise than Beyonce", is not appropriate. Bgkc4444 (talk) 09:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are there multiple sources out there that say Beyonce "has influenced (or transformed) popular music with her vocal ability, live performances and artistic innovations" whatever that is supposed to mean? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, but editors' false claim that Beyoncé's article is overly filled with unacceptable phrasing summarising her positive perception, in a way that is so extreme and has never been seen on a musician's Wikipedia article before, is very clearly not true, and in fact there even seems to be a precedent of summarising artist's positive perceptions. Bgkc4444 (talk) 09:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changed the lead sentences of Eminem, Nicki Minaj, Kendrick Lamar, Prince. And still reality is that pages above couldn’t come close to Beyonce page in terms of exaggeration.
Interesting that you edit those other artists' articles to try improve them (only when prompted by me) but continually make blanket removals of material from this article without any talk page discussion. From those other articles it seems like your issue is in-text attribution, so why don't we just say "Regarded as one of the most influential figures in music history by numerous publications including Rolling Stone and the Associated Press,[1]"? Bgkc4444 (talk) 10:37, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is much more useful to give specific facts and statistics, like those in the last paragraph in the lede, than to say “her work is ranked by Rolling Stone as among the greatest of all time,” which is nonspecific and doesn’t help the reader better understand who Beyoncé is and what she’s done (which is what encyclopedia articles are for), other than telling us a publication called Rolling Stone thinks highly of her. There is also a limit to what can be said in Wikivoice, and phrases like “her artistic innovations and pioneering releases” are not within those bounds because they are promotional rather than descriptive. Lastly, sourcebombing the lede with dozens of sources to justify promotional language is not necessary because the lede is supposed to summarize the article body and ideally have no sources since everything will be expanded upon in the article. Thank you for reading and contributing. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 21:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since you guys have this article protected, I can't edit this sentence, but it needs to be edited. It's under "Career beginnings." "The move reduced the family's income by half, and Beyoncé's parents were forced to sell their house and cars and move into separated apartments."
"#32 Beyoncé, 'Lemonade' (2016)". Rolling Stone 500 Greatest Albums Of All Time. Retrieved December 5, 2024. Beyoncé is one of the most influential musicians of all time
Taylor, Savannah M. "Beyoncé's 'Renaissance' Is the Cultural Reset We Didn't Know We Needed". Ebony. Retrieved December 9, 2024. There's not much about Queen Bey we can say that hasn't already been said. Frequently crowned one of the most influential and talented entertainers of all time, she has reached heights within the music industry that many believed to be unattainable. A career spanning almost three decades, she's unstoppable.
"The Year Of Bey — How Beyoncé Broke Our Chains And Empowered Black Women In 2016". Essence. October 26, 2020. Retrieved December 9, 2024. Beyoncé. Her name alone reverberates through our spines and conjures a spectrum of emotions. Singer, songwriter, actress, wife, mother, feminist, and one of the most influential women in all of history, Beyoncé is having her best year ever. The hardest working woman in show business spent 2016 proving why she is undeniably one of the greatest recording artists to ever hold a microphone, and we all got in formation and reveled in her magnificence.
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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